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Dražen Lalić osobito je poznat doktor sociologije koji se u svojim radovima temeljito bavio navijačkom subkulturom i duboko je upoznat s tom problematikom. Posebno je intrigantno kako Lalić komentira nemile događaje u Ateni:
- Potrebno je znati da velike navijačke skupine imaju svoje „natjecanje”, igraju svoje „utakmice”. Najprije unutar nacionalnih okvira, ali ta je liga za naše ultrase uska, navijačke skupine najvećih klubova ta liga u potpunosti ne zadovoljava i ne ispunjava do kraja potrebe njihovih najzagriženijih članova. Inozemna gostovanja posebno su intrigantna, pa navijači imaju i dugu tradiciju u sudjelovanju u međunarodnom „natjecanju”. Pritom mislim na hardcore, tvrdu jezgru navijačke skupine, nikako ne na većinu pripadnika tih skupina i drugih navijača koji u tim nadmetanjima ni ne sudjeluju. Tvrda jezgra nastupa u tim sudarima – objašnjava nam Lalić.
Kažete da igraju svoju ligu?
- Da, pa u njoj postižu, izvojevaju i pobjede, a trpe i poraze. Pokazuju svoju organiziranost, brojnost i gorljivost. To je zapravo uobičajeno, već dulje vrijeme tipično, mislim na ovaj slučaj u Ateni, doći na protivnički stadion i tamo se pokazati. Dan prije utakmice... To spada u posebne rituale koji se traže, kako se eksponirati. Teritorij je ključna stvar za hardcore navijačke grupe. Doći u grad dan prije utakmice i onda još i u samu blizinu stadiona, za njih je poseban uspjeh. I to BBB skupa s navijačima Panathinaikosa, pa zajednički protiv pristalica AEK-a.
Utakmica je bila zabranjena za navijače?
- Pa to ništa ne znači, dapače zbog toga im je bilo još zanimljivije doći i pokazati svoju snagu. I prije se to radilo, međutim sad je nešto baš otišlo po zlu.
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Očito, čim se dogodila smrt...
- Da su se samo potukli ni po muke, bio bi to samo jedan od incidenata, međutim ovo je prva smrt da se dogodila u obračunima u kojima su sudjelovali hrvatski navijači. Što svemu daje tragičnu notu. Kao simpatizeru nogometa zbog toga mi je jako teško. Pretpostavljam da je krenulo po zlu sve do smrtnog ishoda naročito zbog političkih konotacija. Prevladali su politički animoziteti da se u okršaju upotrijebi i oružje, a ne samo šake i palice.
Pojasnite nam malo pobliže.
- Ako su obični sudari navijačkih tvrdih jezgri, onda to u pravilu bude samo tučnjava, bude ožiljaka, modrica, ali neće se koristiti oružje. A ovdje su se upotrijebili noževi. Srećom da nije bilo i vatrenog oružja.
Kažete političke konotacije?
- Poznato je onima koji prate fenomen toga navijačkog huliganizma da su navijači AEK-a ljevičarsko nastrojeni, pa su prevladali politički animoziteti. Noževe su BBB zacijelo pribavili od navijača Panathinaikosa, jer je to teško prenijeti preko nekoliko državnih granica. To znaju biti i dogovoreni sudari, tučnjave, premda vidim da je bilo dosta običnih ljudi na poprištu sukoba kod stadiona, pa mi je teško reći je li doista bio dogovoren sukob. I tek manji, za obračun nedovoljan broj ultrasa AEK-a. Vjerojatno su BBB iskorišteni, a možda su i svjesno sudjelovali u internom obračunu i netrpeljivosti lokalnih navijačkih skupina, dijametralno različito politički obojenih.
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AEK su ljevičari?
- Da. A s druge strane pristalice Panathinaikosa su najviše desničari, tako su se i BBB našli zajedno s njima. Dvije stvari me naročito čude.
Da čujemo.
- Dakle, kao što rekoh koristio se nož, što znači da je kontekst apsolutno širi od samog nogometa i ritualnog osvajanja teritorija stadiona i ponižavanja suparnika vezano uz samu utakmicu. Druga stvar je frapantna, a to je pasivnost grčke policije. Imali su sve informacije i nisu reagirali. Ne mogu vjerovati da su toliki amateri, a imaju napretek iskustva s navijačkim incidentima po kojima je Grčka poznata. Moguće je da su neki šefovi tamošnje policije namjerno bili pasivni. Otud valjda i tolike smjene u njihovoj policiji poslije nemilog događaja.
Jedan život je nepovratno izgubljen i to ostaje crna mrlja za sva vremena.
- Predlažem upravi Dinama, dok je još na vrijeme, da utakmicu protiv AEK-a u Maksimiru iz više razloga odigra bez gledatelja. Najprije, pokazali bi pijetet prema smrtnom slučaju, a bio bi to i čin prevencije eventualnih verbalnih navijačkih ispada na utakmici, zbog kojih bi se sramila čitava zemlja – rekao nam je Dražen Lalić, profesor sociologije i politologije na Fakultetu političkih znanosti u Zagrebu, autor knjige „Nogomet i politika. Povijest i suvremenost međuodnosa u Hrvatskoj”.
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Dražen Lalić osobito je poznat doktor sociologije koji se u svojim radovima temeljito bavio navijačkom subkulturom i duboko je upoznat s tom problematikom. Posebno je intrigantno kako Lalić komentira nemile događaje u Ateni:
- Potrebno je znati da velike navijačke skupine imaju svoje „natjecanje”, igraju svoje „utakmice”. Najprije unutar nacionalnih okvira, ali ta je liga za naše ultrase uska, navijačke skupine najvećih klubova ta liga u potpunosti ne zadovoljava i ne ispunjava do kraja potrebe njihovih najzagriženijih članova. Inozemna gostovanja posebno su intrigantna, pa navijači imaju i dugu tradiciju u sudjelovanju u međunarodnom „natjecanju”. Pritom mislim na hardcore, tvrdu jezgru navijačke skupine, nikako ne na većinu pripadnika tih skupina i drugih navijača koji u tim nadmetanjima ni ne sudjeluju. Tvrda jezgra nastupa u tim sudarima – objašnjava nam Lalić.
Kažete da igraju svoju ligu?
- Da, pa u njoj postižu, izvojevaju i pobjede, a trpe i poraze. Pokazuju svoju organiziranost, brojnost i gorljivost. To je zapravo uobičajeno, već dulje vrijeme tipično, mislim na ovaj slučaj u Ateni, doći na protivnički stadion i tamo se pokazati. Dan prije utakmice... To spada u posebne rituale koji se traže, kako se eksponirati. Teritorij je ključna stvar za hardcore navijačke grupe. Doći u grad dan prije utakmice i onda još i u samu blizinu stadiona, za njih je poseban uspjeh. I to BBB skupa s navijačima Panathinaikosa, pa zajednički protiv pristalica AEK-a.
Utakmica je bila zabranjena za navijače?
- Pa to ništa ne znači, dapače zbog toga im je bilo još zanimljivije doći i pokazati svoju snagu. I prije se to radilo, međutim sad je nešto baš otišlo po zlu.
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Očito, čim se dogodila smrt...
- Da su se samo potukli ni po muke, bio bi to samo jedan od incidenata, međutim ovo je prva smrt da se dogodila u obračunima u kojima su sudjelovali hrvatski navijači. Što svemu daje tragičnu notu. Kao simpatizeru nogometa zbog toga mi je jako teško. Pretpostavljam da je krenulo po zlu sve do smrtnog ishoda naročito zbog političkih konotacija. Prevladali su politički animoziteti da se u okršaju upotrijebi i oružje, a ne samo šake i palice.
Pojasnite nam malo pobliže.
- Ako su obični sudari navijačkih tvrdih jezgri, onda to u pravilu bude samo tučnjava, bude ožiljaka, modrica, ali neće se koristiti oružje. A ovdje su se upotrijebili noževi. Srećom da nije bilo i vatrenog oružja.
Kažete političke konotacije?
- Poznato je onima koji prate fenomen toga navijačkog huliganizma da su navijači AEK-a ljevičarsko nastrojeni, pa su prevladali politički animoziteti. Noževe su BBB zacijelo pribavili od navijača Panathinaikosa, jer je to teško prenijeti preko nekoliko državnih granica. To znaju biti i dogovoreni sudari, tučnjave, premda vidim da je bilo dosta običnih ljudi na poprištu sukoba kod stadiona, pa mi je teško reći je li doista bio dogovoren sukob. I tek manji, za obračun nedovoljan broj ultrasa AEK-a. Vjerojatno su BBB iskorišteni, a možda su i svjesno sudjelovali u internom obračunu i netrpeljivosti lokalnih navijačkih skupina, dijametralno različito politički obojenih.
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AEK su ljevičari?
- Da. A s druge strane pristalice Panathinaikosa su najviše desničari, tako su se i BBB našli zajedno s njima. Dvije stvari me naročito čude.
Da čujemo.
- Dakle, kao što rekoh koristio se nož, što znači da je kontekst apsolutno širi od samog nogometa i ritualnog osvajanja teritorija stadiona i ponižavanja suparnika vezano uz samu utakmicu. Druga stvar je frapantna, a to je pasivnost grčke policije. Imali su sve informacije i nisu reagirali. Ne mogu vjerovati da su toliki amateri, a imaju napretek iskustva s navijačkim incidentima po kojima je Grčka poznata. Moguće je da su neki šefovi tamošnje policije namjerno bili pasivni. Otud valjda i tolike smjene u njihovoj policiji poslije nemilog događaja.
Jedan život je nepovratno izgubljen i to ostaje crna mrlja za sva vremena.
- Predlažem upravi Dinama, dok je još na vrijeme, da utakmicu protiv AEK-a u Maksimiru iz više razloga odigra bez gledatelja. Najprije, pokazali bi pijetet prema smrtnom slučaju, a bio bi to i čin prevencije eventualnih verbalnih navijačkih ispada na utakmici, zbog kojih bi se sramila čitava zemlja – rekao nam je Dražen Lalić, profesor sociologije i politologije na Fakultetu političkih znanosti u Zagrebu, autor knjige „Nogomet i politika. Povijest i suvremenost međuodnosa u Hrvatskoj”.
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[alias] => paid_article
)
[35] => stdClass Object
(
[id] => 99
[name] => SD na licu mjesta
[value] => OFF
[type] => radio
[group] => 9
[published] => 1
[ordering] => 37
[alias] => SD_na_licu_mjesta
)
)
17. svibanj 2024 04:24
